My Foray into the world of methodshaving....

[joel]

TOC
Section 1 – Rant
Section 2 – Products
Section 3 – Method/pictorial
Section 4 – Results/commentary
Section 5 – Price breakdown/cost effectiveness of product/s

Section 1 -
I began fondling the haft of the shaving badger apparatus starting with the crown. I commenced working the wet blended mix from the cube (to create saponification for you morons out there) with protein emollients to thicken the paste before I cut it. I toil at my hand and mash the bucket of my Simpsons Polo 12 (bow down to me plebeian’s) silvertip badger shaving broom apparatus. I am covered in dookie-smelling “slag”– and I don’t know why. At this point – just as I prepare to cut the shaving terrain with my steel I hear a loud thunder as my thesaurus explodes and encompasses my house in a hellacious ball of fire.

Reading some of these RMWS/Method Shaving diatribes makes me want to find a little puppy and choke it to death. For god’s sake dumb it down for some of us college educated folks. It isn’t so much the wording, or that lack of understanding which prohibits me from reading these “graces” but the absurd and intentional over complication, fluff and banter littered throughout RMWS/Method shaving writing. It is called a god damn razor, it has been called a razor, or double edge since its birth, why in the blazing titty-twister are you calling it the “steel.” Sorry cowboys, it’s a razor, and “slag” is wet ass lather. “Protein Emollients” is slippery ass stuff commonly known as “hydrolast shaving paste.” There are no complex procedures, no smoke and mirrors and no “terrains, steel, breeches, etc” the whole method shaving process can and will be (keep reading) explained in plain English with VERY simple, easy to follow instructions – end of story. Do you get the impression I am annoyed? Damn straight. These stupid over complications, retarded vocabulary words, and simply moronic lofty claims scare away a volley of chaps from trying a really first rate product(s) and method – which delivers EXACTLY what it claims to. A marvelous shave. Yeah – I said it, method shaving works, and it works beautifully, and Charles Roberts puts out exceptional products that offer high value (see breakdown further into review) and one product I feel to be the finest in the world in its class –I simply cannot imagine there being something even remotely on par.

I think what really tipped the scales for me, and what REALLY pissed me off most was chatting with Charles Roberts and Adam Mendelson. Anyone who thinks either one of these guys is off their rocker – I suggest you give them a call. You will be horrified to learn, not only do they speak English, but they are both incredibly nice and helpful, and both have a genuine interest in your positive results. No b/s over complication, just direct, straightforward assistance, lessons and kindness. Anything negative I have ever said about Charles Roberts (the man) I wholeheartedly take back – however anything I have said about his writing I stand firm on. I’ll calm down now, but I just had to get that out… it is such a shot in the foot to overcomplicate this method shaving business, as I think it has drastically restricted its user/fan base and developed somewhat of a “black sheep” association with RMWS fans.

Readers digest version. Both CR and Adam are first rate gentlemen, who I hope to build much stronger relationships with. Gentlemen – thank you for your dedication, hard work, generosity and time.

Now down to business.


Section 2 – Products

Simpson Polo 12 – Don’t need it. PJ2 worked a little better, and shavemac worked best. You could easily method shave with any halfway decent brush. Worst case scenario, you have to add a bit of water to the brush after the 2nd or 3rd pass.

The Cube – Different from Marseilles olive oil soap. Actually smells like feces when just opened, however the scent dissipates and can be overpowered with enough shaving cream. Works incredibly well.

Cutting Balm – Like no other jojoba oil I have used. Very light, leaves your skin feeling exceptional (wouldn’t recommend for VERY oily skin) and works a lot better than PSO for touch and cut.

Hydrolast paste – NOT a shaving cream. Does not lather at all. Smells mediocre in sandalwood and decent in peppermint. INCREDIBLE lubricant, and is best used as you would a preshave, or as an “additive” to the brush. I got the best results with the cube, a small swipe of English shave cream, then a blob of hydrolast.

Summer Sage Tonic – Works great, and smells exceptional. Best smelling product from CAR I have tried.

Aftershave Moisturizing cream – Best/most economical, most efficacious moisturizer/balm I have ever used – bar none. Hands down MUST have. Smells like whatever added scent and olive oil or something. The peppermint scented moisturizer has an incredible “cooling” effect, most “in your face” cooling effect I have experienced.

Section 3 -
RMWS/Method shaving is very easy to explain/show.... take a look

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Everything you will need (substitute razor/cream/brush if you desire)

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Step one place brush and "cube" in the sink

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Run sink...

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Fill up sink half way, covering the cube and brush with water

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Let soak for at least 30 seconds.

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Pull out brush and cube

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Mash the brush against the cube (pic is not fully mashed) and vigoriously scrub the cube. Clockwise, switch directions then counter clockwise - anything to destroy the brush more - makes better lather :D

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A few scrubs (note brush would normally be pushed down more however I had to take my hand off of it to take the pic)

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Overhead look after a few "scrubs"

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Polo 12 "cubed" out

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Swiping out some Taylors Lavender

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Adding cream to brush

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Scooping out hydrolast and adding to brush

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Mash the brush into your palm

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"lock the breach" or squeeze some of the stuff upwards to bring water/lather up to the top of the brush - then stand swirling and building lather on your hand.

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Overhead shot of lather filled brush

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Side shot

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Overhead again

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Two swipes on my hand with lather shodden brush

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Aftermath of cleaned brush.

Section 4 -
Methodshaving works... very...well. Not only does it provide incredible lubrication, it also drastically improves the quality of your skin. I tired methodshaving for the first time at night, after having previously butchered myself shaving WAY too fast with a feather artist club RG earlier that morning. Get this... my face looked BETTER after 7 or so passes with with methodshaving setup than it had looked before I had started the shave! This really caught my attention. After shaving, spraying some tonic on your face, putting this much...
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a/s moisture cream on your wet face, and spreading it across your entire face (forehead, neck, the works) leaves your skin feeling simply amazing. My skin is so amazingly soft, clear and smooth, it is shocking, and it has only been a week. I attribute this to the moisture cream as I had a few other people try just the cream and they had exceptional results like mine.

Bottom line: If you are JUST interested in attaining exceptional results, look no further, Method Shaving is a shortcut to A+ shaves. Your skin will love you.
On the downside, method shaving, at least in my opinion is not all that fun. It doesn't "excite" me, and I do not look forward to the morning shave as I do with more fragrant creams. Even with a potent english cream, it is muddled with the "earthy" CR products, so it cannot stand out in its full glory. For me, the actual smoothness of the shave was not superior to using my standard methods - methods I have acquired with about 2 years of experience, trials and errors. With the exception of the moisture cream, none of the other products were simply "must have" BUT for a one stop shop, instruction/direction on attaining a perfect shave without investing tremendous time, there is no other choice save for method shaving. I am stunned how effective and easy it is, and have a lot more respect for method shavers, and now understand their excitement. For those with cronic problems, method shaving must seem like a god send.

I will most definalty purchase some of CR's products... more than likely the whole line in due time. Simply superb products. I would be more inclined to purchase/use the "cube" if it were scented to take away some of the "stank." Again, the moisture cream is a god send and a must have.

All in all... method shaving gets two thumbs up from me!

Section 5 -
CR's products are actually not that unreasonable at all - as they are quite concentrated, and last a terribly long time. The 2 products you use most of are the 2 least expensive - $15 4oz tub of shaving paste and $12 for an 8oz bottle of a/s tonic. Both quite reasonable.

"The Cube" is not marsilles soap - it is Charles' own concoction - nonetheless it is a very dense soap and will probably last at least 6 months and at $10 I think that is reasonable.

The 2 products that are downright pricey are the $35 cutting balm, and the $35 moisturizing cream. The cutting balm (which is not like any other jojoba oil I have used) is a 4oz bottle. You use about as much as you would with Pacific shave oil. PSO is $7 for 1/2 oz, so the equivalent size of PSO would run $56 - for $35 ain't too bad a deal. 4oz of cutting balm should last QUITE some time! The moisture cream is $35 for 2oz, however you use a lot less moisture cream for your whole face than you would use for just your shaving area with Trumpers skinfood. A 2oz tub of CR's moisture cream would last me well over a year.


Addendum – The cutting balm’s implementation within the “method” was not discussed, so the following is an explanation of its use.
After having made your “cutting form passes” or your standard shaving routine/passes, wet your entire face thoroughly with warm water and apply a small amount of cutting balm to your entire face. Feel around with your fingers as you apply the cutting balm, and take note of the areas with stubble still present. After having applied the cutting balm, wash your hands (it is slippery stuff, and you do not want a cutting balm coated hand holding your razor) then proceed to shave against the grain in the needed areas. The cutting balm is “thick” and will not allow the razor to travel as quickly, and does a beautiful job protecting and nourishing your skin from the harshness of repeated “razor buffing” against the grain. After you are done touching up, simply splash a touch of water on your face, spray your face with the tonic, and apply a touch of the moisture cream, and once dry – you will have incredibly soft, healthy skin! Give it a week for these products to really show you what they are capable of!

Note: You can simply apply it to one or two small “problem” areas, or areas you have found to have a touch of stubble after having been shaved, however it is HIGHLY beneficial to apply a small amount of the cutting balm to your entire face, as it simply does WONDERS for your skin, especially when coupled with the CAR A/S moisture cream. You skin will be softer, and feel more magnificent that ever before.

[gage0921]

I am experimenting with Method Shaving and so far I have used the cube (I order it cut into 3 peices) and the a/s. The cube alone is fantastic for me....not only do I acheive a close shave there is no irritation what so ever, and to top it all off it has done wonders as a face wash for my combo skin. I admit it does smell like #$%& :eek: but it gradually becomes less fragrant. The a/s is a wonderfull product as well that must be applied to a moist face or it doesnt do its job as well as it should. I like to use QED hydrosols right before application. As far as scent goes..... I have only used the sandalwood and peppermint and while they both do the same job the peppermint smells nice and has a great cooling effect when applied that lasts for a while. I personally love to use my proraso "green tube" with the cube because of the awsome shave I receive as well as the cooling effect of proraso and then the added effect of the peppermint. I look forward to purchasing the rest of the products as well as CAR's new brush that should make its debut in early sept.

[joel]

This article has been updated to include the use of "cutting balm" Please see the "Addendum" at the bottom of the article.
As always, if you have any questions do not hesitate to ask!
Thanks,

[PoshRichM]

I've become more interested in Method Shaving of late, and ordered a Cube, sandalwood shaving paste, and sandalwood aftershave balm.

I'm looking forward to giving it a try--"bulletproofness" is something I've been looking for. :biggrin:

You could easily method shave with any halfway decent brush.
Joel, in your experience is this still the case? I can certainly use my new SMF brush, but I'm loath to abuse it too harshly. My "old" Vulfix ain't huge, but it continues to deliver.

-Rich

[Austin]

I don't know gents, to me Methodshaving takes the fun out of shaving. Too regimented. Although they are fine products, I will continue using traditional products and techniques.

[methodshaving.com]

Austin,

Everyone in the world should be so lucky as to have shaving as a fun experience. For many though it is painful and stressfull situation leaving users with blemishes, ingrowns, and an overall sense of failure. For these people and anyone in between, myself inculded, it is not about fun. It is about getting a proper shave day after day and showing my best face to the world. For those of us who need such a system Method Shaving delivers day in and day out. The products are outstanding and the system works, for me I need nothing else.

[methodshaving.com]

Rich,

Method Shaving will work if you work it. It is about more than products and technique is everything. I would first encourage you to put the shave paste aside and work with your english creams. When you get your products and are ready to start let s know and we will point you in the right direction. If you are having problems, i.e. iritation, blemishes, blood, etc. Please let us know what your situation is and I can work you through the process.

[joel]

I don't know gents, to me Methodshaving takes the fun out of shaving. Too regimented. Although they are fine products, I will continue using traditional products and techniques.

Austin,
My sentiments exactly, which is why I do not methodshave on a daily basis.... hell even a weekly basis! With that said however - I would be lying if I said I knew of a more effective, more beneficial (to the skin) way of shaving. It is boring and a gigantic mess (at least for new guys) but hot damn does it work like a champ - do you agree?

Unfortunatly because of the horrid smelling cube (the scent will die down with time, but it is still there) and the need for some much "complication" I do not think it will ever "stir my emotions" like a good old fashoned traditional shave. As Adam eluded to however - if you are just plain not getting things to work for you in the traditional manner - Methodshaving will.

Now only if Charles Roberts could come up with some really fantastic smelling cubes, pastes, balms, mositure creams etc.... then that would be one hell of a hard thing for me to shy away from!

For what it is worth - Hopefuly in the next month or so (possibly 2 months) I will come out with a DVD - with cool menu's and all, that explains and demonstrates method shaving, straight razor shaving, different equipment, visual video footage (DVD quality) of the different products up close, and how they compare, examples, etc etc - and hopefully have the DVD's available for about $5 shipped.

[joel]

I don't know gents, to me Methodshaving takes the fun out of shaving. Too regimented. Although they are fine products, I will continue using traditional products and techniques.

Austin,
My sentiments exactly, which is why I do not methodshave on a daily basis.... hell even a weekly basis! With that said however - I would be lying if I said I knew of a more effective, more beneficial (to the skin) way of shaving. It is boring and a gigantic mess (at least for new guys) but hot damn does it work like a champ - do you agree?

Unfortunatly because of the horrid smelling cube (the scent will die down with time, but it is still there) and the need for some much "complication" I do not think it will ever "stir my emotions" like a good old fashoned traditional shave. As Adam eluded to however - if you are just plain not getting things to work for you in the traditional manner - Methodshaving will.

Now only if Charles Roberts could come up with some really fantastic smelling cubes, pastes, balms, mositure creams etc.... then that would be one hell of a hard thing for me to shy away from!

For what it is worth - Hopefuly in the next month or so (possibly 2 months) I will come out with a DVD - with cool menu's and all, that explains and demonstrates method shaving, straight razor shaving, different equipment, visual video footage (DVD quality) of the different products up close, and how they compare, examples, etc etc - and hopefully have the DVD's available for about $5 shipped.

[PoshRichM]

Method Shaving will work if you work it. It is about more than products and technique is everything. I would first encourage you to put the shave paste aside and work with your english creams.
I don't know if Joel is kosher with mentioning the Other Forum, but a brief perusal of my posts there will testify: I will work a system.

Wet shaving came hard to me, but I've gotten it to work (creams primarily, and lately shave soaps), though irritation still attends if I'm careless. Case in point: I carved myself up with a Mach3 Power about two weeks ago, and despite refining my DE & soap technique since to a fare-thee-well (and the rest of my face thriving), the irritation and ingrowns on my throat refuse to budge--I look like I'm dating a Transylvanian. Might be summer, might be technique, might be some threshold of violence to my skin that I'm transcending through the simple act of shaving. :mad:

I'm hoping, Cube smell to the side, that Method Shaving (specifically the aftershave balm) might just give my skin the edge it needs to heal. Per your recommendation, I will defer the shaving paste and stick to Taylor's Avocado cream when all the Hydrolast products arrive.

-Rich

[Joe Lerch]

I am a long time DE user, for example my Futur is 40 years old. I was always skeptical about the system because of the less than cogent way it is described and the fact that the originator is selling products.

However, I have resolved those issues in your favor. After studying the system I was surprised how many aspects I had come upon myself over the years. I just never thought much about it. That's what convinced me it's a legitimate system. It's great that someone pulled it all together into a system that can benefit all. If you can teach these things to people up front, all the power to you.

I just wish you had a more palatable and less jargon based presentation, because your information is worthwhile and, because of the presentation, you may be losing many who could benefit. Personally, I think a handbook laying out the system in a straightforward way wouldn't take more than a few pages. It and a list of terminology would be a great introduction to your system. You went to all the trouble of setting up standards and rules, but I haven't seen something this basic on your site. Wouldn't it make sense to have it?

It may be too regimented and not fun for guys like me, but I've ordered some CR products (cube, shaving paste, skin conditioner) just to see if they improve anything. If so, I will work them into the JLMWS (the Joe Lerch Method of Wet Shaving). I'm sorry, Charles did not invent wet shaving and neither did I.

Austin,

Everyone in the world should be so lucky as to have shaving as a fun experience. For many though it is painful and stressfull situation leaving users with blemishes, ingrowns, and an overall sense of failure. For these people and anyone in between, myself inculded, it is not about fun. It is about getting a proper shave day after day and showing my best face to the world. For those of us who need such a system Method Shaving delivers day in and day out. The products are outstanding and the system works, for me I need nothing else.

[Austin]

I am a long time DE user, for example my Futur is 40 years old. I was always skeptical about the system because of the less than cogent way it is described and the fact that the originator is selling products.

However, I have resolved those issues in your favor. After studying the system I was surprised how many aspects I had come upon myself over the years. I just never thought much about it. That's what convinced me it's a legitimate system. It's great that someone pulled it all together into a system that can benefit all. If you can teach these things to people up front, all the power to you.

I just wish you had a more palatable and less jargon based presentation, because your information is worthwhile and, because of the presentation, you may be losing many who could benefit. Personally, I think a handbook laying out the system in a straightforward way wouldn't take more than a few pages. It and a list of terminology would be a great introduction to your system. You went to all the trouble of setting up standards and rules, but I haven't seen something this basic on your site. Wouldn't it make sense to have it?

It may be too regimented and not fun for guys like me, but I've ordered some CR products (cube, shaving paste, skin conditioner) just to see if they improve anything. If so, I will work them into the JLMWS (the Joe Lerch Method of Wet Shaving). I'm sorry, Charles did not invent wet shaving and neither did I.

Joe, I like the way that sounds. Now, you have me thinking AMWS (Austin Method of Wet Shaving) :biggrin:

[methodshaving.com]

Joe, et al.:

I am glad that after spending some time evaulating things that the big bad wolf of method shaving seems more and more like a nice puppy. As for a few of the other issues I have to really stop and think, even laugh at times. Everyone claims two things that just make no sense to me in any way shape or form.

First claim is it is to regimented, please some one who knows this system and can claim this please explain. I find it odd, in that if you examine how you shave each day I bet you $10 you have it down to a regimented system as well. The main difference is you have not thought of it that way nor have you given one iota of thought to conveying these steps to another person. For example I am willing to bet you build your lather the same way, you shave the same passes each and every day, and you follow with a similar after shave process each and every day. This again assumes you are getting it right and not trying to learn it. Then agian if you aren't getting it right maybe just maybe there is something to this for you.

Second, is the claim that it is not fun. This one is the one that really makes me laugh. What is fun in your shaving process? Do you paint pretty pictures with you cream on the mirror? Oh I know it must be that the clowns come and sing for you when you shave. The claim is usually that the variety is lacking. Well I use a regular rotaion of several top end Brittish cream, I have a plethora of wonderful razors, and even CAR's products come in a variety of scents. So again tell me what is so very different that there is no fun in it. After all we are talking about shaving, right. To me shaving is a requirement for leaving the house and going to work, not some party in my bathroom every morning. I just want perfect results day in and day out.

As for the rest of you concerns you have some points, which are being addressed. There will be a manual produced and it is under development. Here is why it is not as easy as you claim it should be. A large number of people who land in RMWS and onto method shaving are problem shavers with serious skin conditions. Each has unique challenges and there is no text book situation that will solve all problems for them if they just followed steps 1,2,3.... Some need modifications of the lather process, others need modifications of the forms to cut, others just need a lot of time to progress to a glass bowl shave. This is why it has always been looked at as a staring point with the focus on customization on an idividual basis. And yes you are correct when you get it right every ends up with the JLMWS, etc. That is why I so apptly created method shaving as each person will end up with a unique method, but basic tenants exist.

I will also address a few other things that come up and people love to use as ammunition. First Charles first series of essay's, many several years old by now, were never inteneded to teach anyone to shave. You can search all day and night and never find his system in there as it is not in writing. As for his flowery wriitng, love it hate, leave it who cares, just don't go looking to learn to shave in them. Charles teaches shaving one on one via, phone, email and in person. Find me one other person who has gone to this length with each individual customer, as it is a real rarity in this day and age to get that kind of customer service.

On the topic of complicated terms and over complication of shaving. I say phooey, people who use this claim are not thinking clearly. The biggest advantage this jargon brings to the table is a common language among shaver, one that never existed before and one that is critical when trying to teach. How do you convey a thought or teach something if you do not have common terms and understanding aong the people teaching and learning. I will give you a great example. Many years ago in grade school we learned a lesson about communication and the need for this type of detail in instructing people. We came in to class on day and the teacher split us up into pairs, then one person was handed a knife, two pieces of bread, some peanut butter and some jelly. The one person had to instruct the other how to create a pb&j sandwich while the other executed on his instructions. Let me tell you NO ONE GOT IT RIGHT!!! Not a single finished product remotely resembled what you and I would consider a pb&j sandwich.

Stepping down from my soap box now.

[HlSheppard]

Adam et.al. -

So far, I actually have found Methodshaving to be quite fun. I am a self-admitted gadget freak. The more goodies I get to use during my shave, the better!

The bonus is how damned soft and toned my skin feels after doing it. Even my barber just feels my sideburn area, then his, then shakes his head with his eyebrows raised... :cool:

Like Rich I am still struggling with ingrowns and irritation under my jawline and "jowl" area. But I am determined to stick with this program simply because it benefits my skin. One by one, I will improve the rest of my "program" until the skin either gets used to it or I do away with what I'm doing that's causing the problem.

The only limitation I see with Methodshaving is not bieng able to use shave soaps like QED or Tabac.

Adam - please correct me if I'm wrong on this point.

I just throw a shave soap in occasionally for some variety.

[methodshaving.com]

Howard,

I throw a shave soap in every now and again as well. The problem is they do not allow me as good a shave as other products and I usually regret doing it. Not every single wet shave product in existence is going to work for everyone, and just because it smells good or joe shmo says its great means it will work for you and you should use it.

[Austin]

Hi Adam,

I certainly mean no disrespect to your system of shaving. I have spent an afternoon with Charles at his store learning his method of shaving. I have also bought his products. As a matter of fact, I patronize his store whenever I am in South Austin. I think Charles and his wife Jean are delightful people.

As far as the regimented comment, I like to use creams and soaps for variety. I also have several razors and straights that I alternate. No having this variety makes your system regimented to me. Others may have a different perspective.

Shaving is not fun period. At best, it can be a pleasant experience to the senses both in smell and clear thought. During my shave time, I sort out my day and set my daily goals. But hey, some people may actually find it fun by alternating creams, soaps, balms, cologne, etc.

If you took offense to any of our comments, it was not meant to come across in that light. I know your system is a very good for people that subscribe to it. It's just not for me.

Andrew

[methodshaving.com]

Austin,

No offense was taken in any way shape or form, and I hope that none was taken on your part. In fact as I said earlier I use a variety of creams and razors. So I still fail to see the regimentation arguement. In fact only people just getting started and learning are advised to use the same razor and cream for a short period of time. This is to take out as many variables as possible, and is sound advice for anyone learning to shave with a brush, DE and high end creams.

[Brett G]

Method Shaving is no fun? To me, fun is getting the perfect shave day in and day out. Is it cool to whip up a mountain of lather that smells like a fine English cologne? Sure is. But it’s more fun to walk out of the bathroom with a face that is absolutely cool & smooth.

Here’s how I look at it. What is the best possible way for a man to start his day? The three S’s (s**t, shower, shave). The better you take care of that business the better your day is going to be, no matter what it throws at you. The first one is easy. Any problems are easily rectified with a bran muffin. To quote Al Pacino from the great movie “Glengarry Glen Ross”; “You ever take a dump that made you feel like you just slept for 12 hours?”

The shower is next. Most of us have that one licked by the time we are 10. It’s the shave that is the X-factor in SSS equation. 98% of the men out there have absolutely no clue what a great shave feels like. Method Shaving is no fun? It’s an integral part of the vital morning trifecta that kicks off my day.

As far as the regimentation, Adam’s point is excellent. Every man has a shaving regiment. It’s just that this one works or can be made to work for almost everyone. Jazz music gets the rap of having too many rules and being too complicated. Once you get past that you realize that mastering the basics is the key to freedom. It is very liberating to express yourself within the boundaries of a well-constructed framework.

[Joe Lerch]

From what I uderstand, CR would agree with both of them. He has a highly customized process. THe only thing I object to is claims of invention.

Joe, I like the way that sounds. Now, you have me thinking AMWS (Austin Method of Wet Shaving) :biggrin:

[fisherc]

Adam and other RMWS shavers:

A question. How does one achieve a lather with cube/paste that is as effective as traditional English cream ? I for one have been using traditional creams for years and recently tried the cube/paste for severla weeks but couldn't get a lather that was as lubricating as the traditional creams. I've also used, in the past, the cube with traditional English cream and while it generated more lather I did not find it any more effective than without. Can you share your lather building technique in more detail and possibly with pics ?

Thanks,
Chris

[PoshRichM]

Brett, LOL.

Adam, the major critique I have (well, had) of Method Shaving/RMWS is that until very recently (via Joel's exposé and the new MethodShaving.com site) it was not possible to learn how to use the method without a trip to Austin, or secondhand lessons from a devotee.

CR's essays only inflamed the issue (and I'm a wordsmith at heart--the man takes circumlocutions to a new level of artistry), because they give the impression of hiding the need to pay an entry fee to get the knowledge. The need to pay would have been fine, if it had been the case, but then just having said so would have cleared things up. Instead CR positioned himself as the Messiah of Frustrated Shavers Everywhere, and then appeared to withhold the keys to the kingdom--but not say he was doing so outright.

I've read and reread the essays and a number of shorter publications on the RMWS (and perused at great length the brush diagrams, cutting forms, etc.), and it wasn't until I saw Joel's pictorial, and had used a brush myself for several months, that I could truly get what the "bucket" or "canopy" might be, where the "breech" was, how the "shoulder" worked, and similar things. Even pretty fundamental concepts like "up position" (is that bristles-up, lifted-up-by-handle [bristles down], or just lifted-up-from-palm?), "open-breech position," "charging the brush" and "locking the breech" don't make a lot of sense in and of themselves.

ANYWAY, thankfully the info blockade has ceased, and getting access to the basics of the method is looking easier all the time. In my opinion striving for greater clarity and transparency is the best possible thing Method Shaving/RMWS can do for itself.

Rant off. :biggrin:

I'm really looking forward to getting the products. Thanks for participating here!

-Rich

[HlSheppard]

Chris -

I do exactly what Joel does in his pics. I use the cube along with the Hydrolast paste and some "hi-end" cream. Sometimes Taylor's, somtimes Proraso or AOS, etc.

The lather ends up being somewhat "lighter" yet much more slippery. I find it also rinses much easier (from my face and the brush) and more completely than straight cream(s).

[methodshaving.com]

Chris,

The lather built with shave paste and a cube will not look like or resemble a traditonal shave cream, trying to do so will be a very futile effort. Shave paste is designed to be as close to water as possible and provide just enough slip, while the cube helps volumize and manage the water.

Here is the most effective method for using the cube and paste. Start by working the cube with the brush. You are not using enough of the cube if you do not have a very thick billowy looking soap, which will start to appear everywhere. When you think you hae enough, work it a bit longer for good measure. I will then apply the left over soap to my face by hand, and spread a thin layer of shave paste across my whole face. I will then begin to work the brush on my face and begin to add water a little bit at a time, you may need to add a touch more shave paste to the brush.

Again you have to remember that shave paste is not designed to work like or mimic a traditional cream. This product is for those looking for a chemical free way to work with as much pure water as possible. On a seperate note, while some enjoy the addition of shave paste to the traditional creams I really do not see the need for this. Yet, may seem to really enjoy its benefit. I am either going to use a traditonal cream or shave paste, depends on the mood. Though it has become very infrequent that I go back to a traditional cream, mainly a pang of guilt for the few tubs remaining. The nice thing for me is how much nicer my skin is with the shave paste.

[methodshaving.com]

Rich,

I can understand where you are coming from. Yet, I have one question that I ask everyone when they say these things... Did you ever consider picking up the phone and calling Charles? A call to Charles will usually clear up any and all mystery as he is more than generous on the phone and will talk shaving with anyone for far longer than you will probably want.

The thing that always seems to be missed is the fact that this is a personal service and Charles gives this attention to people. To think that it is so easy as to post a few steps and viola you are fine is absurd. How long have you been visiting these site? Surely based on some of your previous comments this has not solved and cured all of your problems. So to think that people can read a page or five and eveything is going to be great just does not compute for me.

I guess the one thing I have not seen much of in most forums over the past few years is people trying to learn how to shave. In fact 99.999% of all post seem to relate around products like brushes, creams, soaps, etc. To think that a product is going to make everything right is a very bad assumption. Don't get me wrong I see the occassional post on blade angle and this that or the other or problems with irritation. But really these are few and far between and the most common answer seems to be change the razor, try this product. To me this is all the wrong aproach.

Ok I have gone way of course... So here is the opportunity to learn. What problems are you having and what equipment are you using. Then we can get to the heart of the matter.

[Brett G]

Many wet shavers still throw up a wall every time Method Shaving is mentioned. It seems that the primary reason, other than the perceived lack of fun/strict regiment factor, is the misunderstanding over CAR’s Shaving Graces essays. Again, these writings were never intended to teach people how to shave. They were CAR’s attempt to put his passion and ideas about shaving into writing. In the beginning there were no written instructions because all of his shavers were taught either in person or over the phone. As Method Shaving has grown, there has been more and more information available as to the actual process. There is still no step-by-step guidebook because as I said before, it is a framework, not a set of stereo instructions. Look on the Method Shaving web site and you will find detailed instructions for building a HydroLast/Cube mix. All of the cutting forms are available. There are articles that stress the importance of reduction, how to manage the wetness of the shaving surface and the techniques needed to cut it (aka velocity), and also how to finish. In fact, there is more specific information available in one place than there is for traditional wet shaving. Traditional information has to be pieced together from several different sources and there is often conflicting information. Sometimes there are ten different responses to the same question. And while differences in opinion are great and the experienced Method Shaving guys don’t always agree on everything, there is no dispute over the basic framework. It is there for all to see. Shaving is a very personal thing and most of the minute details need to be filled in by the shaver himself. Could some of these things be communicated through pictures and video? Absolutely, and Joel did an excellent job with his first presentation. I’m sure more will become available in the future.

Like Adam said, if someone is having specific problems, ask specific questions. One of the experienced Method Shavers will be plenty happy to offer advice

[Joe Lerch]

First of al Adam, let me thank you for all the interest you're taking here. I appreciate it, and I'm sure everyone else does. I hope you'll continue to participate, because there's a forum here on method shaving. Other than your own site, i don't know of anyone that has one. I can tell you there's a great dea of interest in it, and having these discussions here will serve our community well. Many people may not be entirely comfortable at your site, and getting their introduction here will smooththe transition.

Since we have a forum for method shaving, I think this whole thread, including Joel's review should be moved there. That way anyone interested in method shaving would be sure to find this thread. WIth Joel's review as a sticky at the top, it'll be perfect.

Adam, you may be right in the points you're making, but the perception is certainly what has been presented here. When we have a cube and shaving paste and cutting balm all worked together, it certainly doesn't look like there's a lot of flexibility. Add to that the prescribed cutting forms, and you can hardly be surprized at the perception. I know it's not an accurate one and that method shaving is intended to be totally individualized.

As for the fun part, how much can you eliminate and still be practicing the method? You're right I use forms of a sort, I practice beard reduction, I shave with flowing strokes, I use a fine brush and keep it constantly wet and wetting my face. These were things I did before I knew about the CRMWS. O ther than that, my shaving has been pretty much freestyle. I rotate through razors, using mostly str8s (but I had to cut that back temporarily) at least 5 DEs (including the shunned Futur and Vision) as well as injectors. I freewheel through a collection of soaps, creams and even an occasional gel. How much of that could I do and still be in the system?

As for my other concerns, your participation here goes a long way towards clarifying things and eliminating the mystery. Joel considered method shaving important enought o give it a forum. I'm happy you are paticipating. The guys may seem a little rough or skeptical at first but I'm sure that'll change as we all learn more about CRMWS and develop our own systems.

In any case welcome and keepup the good work.

Joe, et al.:

I am glad that after spending some time evaulating things that the big bad wolf of method shaving seems more and more like a nice puppy. As for a few of the other issues I have to really stop and think, even laugh at times. Everyone claims two things that just make no sense to me in any way shape or form.

[PoshRichM]

I can understand where you are coming from. Yet, I have one question that I ask everyone when they say these things... Did you ever consider picking up the phone and calling Charles? A call to Charles will usually clear up any and all mystery as he is more than generous on the phone and will talk shaving with anyone for far longer than you will probably want.

The thing that always seems to be missed is the fact that this is a personal service and Charles gives this attention to people. To think that it is so easy as to post a few steps and viola you are fine is absurd. How long have you been visiting these site? Surely based on some of your previous comments this has not solved and cured all of your problems. So to think that people can read a page or five and eveything is going to be great just does not compute for me.I have to be honest: this is exactly the sort of talk that gets me nervous when I hear it from someone selling a product or a process. No, I didn't consider calling Charles, for the express purpose that me doing so would put him in a position of conflict of interest: it's in his interest to get me to buy his products and subscribe to his methods; i.e., it's impossible for him to be a disinterested observer, and while he may believe everything he says to the core of his being (and I believe he does) what that call would lack is any means of evaluating what he says in any context but his own. It's like going into an evangelist's tent and asking, "So what about this Jesus guy?" Charles is only human, like the rest of us.

This is the service Joel has provided with his pictorial: a very experienced wet shaver, evaluating the RMWS products and method against the context of wet shaving as a whole. I have no doubt that Charles is a fantastic guy and a guy who has studied the universe of shaving extensively (and Joel and many others have said as much on numerous occasions), but Joel is an experimenter and a connoisseur of dozens of shaving products and styles, and what he says about a given means of removing beard hair is worth more to me because he's not selling any one approach.

This is, in fact, why I have at last ordered Enchanté products.

If I can't get them to work for me, then I most certainly will call Charles to ask about the particulars. I think I've got a good bead on his philosophy from reading his other works.

I guess the one thing I have not seen much of in most forums over the past few years is people trying to learn how to shave. In fact 99.999% of all post seem to relate around products like brushes, creams, soaps, etc. To think that a product is going to make everything right is a very bad assumption. Don't get me wrong I see the occassional post on blade angle and this that or the other or problems with irritation. But really these are few and far between and the most common answer seems to be change the razor, try this product. To me this is all the wrong aproach.

Ok I have gone way of course... So here is the opportunity to learn. What problems are you having and what equipment are you using. Then we can get to the heart of the matter.Okay, I'm always up for learning. I have been through many forms of DE razor, but my standby has come to be the Merkur Hefty Classic, using the standard Merkur blade.

My brush is a Vulfix #2197 (http://www.classicshaving.com/catalog/item/800550/422304.htm), which I'm fairly sure is not up to Method Shaving standards. I also have a SMF brush which probably would pass muster (despite its lack of 'shoulder'), but I'm not using it at present, because of some wood-finish issues I'm taking up with Bernd.

I've experimented with various creams and soaps as well, and these days I use either Col. Conk BayRum or Lime soap, or Taylor Avocado cream, Truefitt & Hill Lavender cream, or Trumper's Almond cream. I've found these to be the most efficacious of the two dozen or so products I've ordered and tried so far. The creams I almost always adulterate with some Pacific Shave Oil for better lubrication and water retention.

Passes: two with the grain, two directly across the grain, and then touchups, which are almost always in the problem areas I list below.

After shaving, I apply Witch Hazel to any irritated areas, then spray Em's Place Lavender Hydrosol all over the face, let it mostly dry, and then use a small amount of Trumper's Rose Skin Food over all 'shaving terrain' to seal in the hydrosol goodness.

Okay, the problems: first, my cheeks and chin look pristine and clean every day; my technique (which has taken several months to develop) and the products above work flawlessly on these areas.

My problems occur below the jawline: the hollows of my throat are difficult to shave without irritation (though that has improved with my blade technique, and most days, lately, is no issue).

Also, behind the points of my jaw (below the ears) is where my current irritation and ingrowns persist. There is little coherent grain here, and the skin there constantly rubs against the collars of the shirts I am required to wear per dress code at work.

Finally, there are two areas under my chin that with-grain and cross-grain shaving never seen to clean, and which catch constantly on my shirt collars as well. Direct against-grain shaving (no matter how carefully lubricated with the products above and how stretched taut) has always resulted in skidding and nicks: it's as though the whiskers there refuse to soften properly, or resist the blade more sharply than the rest of my face. I'm reduced to using a Norelco rotary shaver to attend these areas; nothing else has cleared them without penalty.

I know this has been long, but I'm hoping this discussion will help others who are watching and trying to evaluate the RMWS/Method Shaving approach.

-Rich

[methodshaving.com]

Rich,
The reason I asked if you called Charles was because near everyone is shocked to find out that he will not try to sell you anything, but that he truly wants to help you with you shave, etc. Have you ever picked up a phone and called Charles at QED? This in turn would be the very same conflict of interest you speak of. But enough of that lets tackle the problems at hand.

As for the brush I have used neither of these so I can not tell you how they will work for this style of shaving. I will simply tell you how to doit and you can determine if t works for you. As for the rest, pick one razor I might suggest you stick with a fixed DE. Pick one cream and learn the intricacies of working this with a cube, then you will be able to expand your library. Drop the PSO, or at least the addition of it you your cream. If you ordered cutting balm we will use that i place of PSO for now and you can change it up later if you so desire.

I will address the rest in a new thread, this one is getting beat.

[Joe Lerch]

I hear everything you're saying about CR and I'm sure it's true, but you have to realize the resisteance there is to doing something like this. ANyone who has spoken to an insurance salesman on the phone knows what I mean (no comparison intended).

The approach you're takin right now is much more pallatable. As people get to know you and get accustomed to hearing how CR is, that will, no doubt, change.

Rich,
The reason I asked if you called Charles was because near everyone is shocked to find out that he will not try to sell you anything, but that he truly wants to help you with you shave, etc. Have you ever picked up a phone and called Charles at QED? This in turn would be the very same conflict of interest you speak of. But enough of that lets tackle the problems at hand.

[methodshaving.com]

Joe,

That is why I am making this attempt. I understand the hesitation, believe me I went through it myself. The insanity flag comes up for me as most people who feel this hesitant about CR think nothing of picking up a phone and calling Ray at Classicshaving or Charles at QED. To me this is pure hypocracy, they are in business to sell you things like anyone else. It just feels more palatable in public because they are viewed as affordable.

Much like anything else in life, if I really want to investigate some one and the claims they make I speak with them, I visit with them etc. Anyone selling anything is going to make lofty claims, some just hide it far better than CR. It would be no different for me if I were investigating a college or university. I read the litterature, I speak with the school, I visit the school and all through out I speak with alumni. No one piece of anything is ever so compelling for me to have a take it or leave it attitude. Especially when you really want to get a certain result.

In the end what sold me was speaking with CR, speaking with the many happy customers and then visiting with him. The one thing I can say and I hope people will listen is this: CR has a long line of customer, most of whom are very intelligent and highly educated. I have never seen these people tell me that what he is doing is crap, and I do not beleive that these people would buy in and keep doing so year after year if he was so far off the mark. In fact the objectors are those who do not investigat, do not try, and those who want to argue with equipment and prices. If you are looking for discount shopping, then this is not the place. I understand that, it is why we have Wal Mart and Saville Row in this world. People make the decisions that are right for them both personally and finacially.

I really hope everyone is getting something from these diatribes of mine. I know it is something I and many others have avoided for a long time due to harsh reaction. I want to make clear that I am doing this to promote the positives and to learn from the feedback. In the end we are all really after the same thing, a perfect shave with great tools and a wonderful sense of well being from doing so. If it takes a steeming pile of cow dung and a rusty pocket knife for some one to get that, then all the power to then as they have my support. Method Shaving, RMWS and Wet Method are all small subsets of the gobal thing we call Wet Shaving, it is never going to be the end all be all for everyone. Yet, I believe and I think you do as well, that the tenants and framework for this is truly beneficial to all who will spend a bit of time investigating.

[Joe Lerch]

When most people call QED, it's with the intention of buying something or because of a trusted recommendation. They're not calling with a problem expecting to be sold some mysterious "system." It's a similar situation but very different overall. What you're doing here goes a long way towards clearing up the mystery and making us comfortable enough to think of CR just like QED or Classic Shaving.

In my own case, I tried the cube, shaving paste and after shave balm for the first time last night. Just let me preface this by saying that I'm using a prescription for a skin condition. For the last week, I cut back my shaving significantly to avoid irritation, using no str8s and no products except Noxema foam (something I've used forever and never experienced a skin problem). At the end of my shave I just applied cold water and then my prescription as if it was an aftershave balm. All signs of irritation are now gone.

Since the CR products are all natural it seemed like a good next step. The cube does not lather like I'm used to and I miss not being able to use my bowl, but the recommended procedure produces an extremely wet, but loose lather. It fills the brush nicely, goes on smooth and forms a nice, slick layer, which feels kind of thin, but works well. To minimize the lathering on my hand (I like to keep slippery stuff of them) I applied the shaving paste right to my face over a thin layer of the soap. I then formed a thicker layer of lather on top. I must say that my face and the brush stayed very wet (I did add some water and lathered up before each pass), even when I dilly-dallyed.

Despite my lack of comfort with the thin lather, it really did its job and three passes (in the JLMWS forms) produced an almost clean shave. For touchup, I did add a little paste to the brush and lathered, then I applied a thin layer by hand to selected spots. Touchup was extremely smooth and easy in all directions, and I could maintain the lightest touch yet feel the hair being cut (no skipping). My one deviation was to use a Merkur slant with a Feather blade. I have found that combinatioon to give me the best shave, bar none.

After a long cooling rinse, I applied the after shave balm and let my face dry. My skin really felt great and smoother then I've seen it in a while. Later I applied my prescription.

This morning, my shave was still not stubbled (after 8 hours- normal for this razor), but my face felt wonderful. Better than with just my medication. Not only did the CR products not irritate my skin, but I actually had an improvement! This is a very satisfying first attempt. I usually don't comment on a product until I've used it for 5 days. In this case I may not have much choice, as I'm concerned about what any other product may do.

My overall reaction is pleasant surprise, but I sure miss the fragrant, rich lathers of my English creams (the fun factor?).

I consider my first attempt very satisfying. I had a unique opportunity to try it on a clean slate, so any results could only be related to the CR products. The method was essentially the JLMWS, which is consistent with method shaving in most respects. The shave is as good as (not better than) my best shaves with my usual products, but I'm fussy and I have difficult problems, so that's a high standard. I'm marveling at the after shave balm. If it continues to work this well, it's something I would add to my routine, despite its expense.

I welcome any comments or observations that you may have.


Joe,

That is why I am making this attempt. I understand the hesitation, believe me I went through it myself. The insanity flag comes up for me as most people who feel this hesitant about CR think nothing of picking up a phone and calling Ray at Classicshaving or Charles at QED. To me this is pure hypocracy, they are in business to sell you things like anyone else. It just feels more palatable in public because they are viewed as affordable.

-----

I really hope everyone is getting something from these diatribes of mine. I know it is something I and many others have avoided for a long time due to harsh reaction. I want to make clear that I am doing this to promote the positives and to learn from the feedback. In the end we are all really after the same thing, a perfect shave with great tools and a wonderful sense of well being from doing so. If it takes a steeming pile of cow dung and a rusty pocket knife for some one to get that, then all the power to then as they have my support. Method Shaving, RMWS and Wet Method are all small subsets of the gobal thing we call Wet Shaving, it is never going to be the end all be all for everyone. Yet, I believe and I think you do as well, that the tenants and framework for this is truly beneficial to all who will spend a bit of time investigating.

[Brett G]

Joe,
You just experienced first-hand what I had posted earlier on the new Method Shaving thread that Adam started. From a technical aspect, Method Shaving can work with any decent product or tools. What makes it really special is when the techniques and CAR's products are combined into one system. Ultimately it's all about your skin. The quality of the skin is what keeps people coming back (that and the superb customer service).

PS. Just to reiterate a point. The after-shave moisturizer is expensive ($35 for 2oz), but it lasts forever. That 2oz jar can easily go 10mos to a year.

[methodshaving.com]

Joe,

I think you touched on the two things that every one should consider. First a good shave is a good shave. It should not matter if you use williams soap or a hydrolast product, the end result is a clean smooth face with no irritation following the shave. If you get anything less it is time to examine the situation no matter what system or product you use. Yet the main differntiator, and the reason I and many others come back is the change in my skin over a period of time. It is safe for me to say that years later my skin is clearer, healthier and better looking than with anything else I have tried.

So with the acknowledgement of a good shave being a good shave, the real difference is you skin. Everyone should try unsing one set of products for a couple weeks or even months and really take a close look at the quality of their skin. To me this is the tie breaker. By the way I love the slant/feather combo and use it near daily if I am not grabbing my dovo MP or TI 7/8.

[fisherc]

Adam et al:

Is it fair to say that the cube/paste lather has roughly the same consistencey as the cube alone ? In my experience the paste does not "thicken" the lather in any way. Is this your experience as well ?

regards,
Chris

[Joe Lerch]

I found it didn't change the lather. What it did was make the mix more slippery without changing the consistency. I also found the lather from the cube didn't dry out on my face during the shave.

Adam et al:

Is it fair to say that the cube/paste lather has roughly the same consistencey as the cube alone ? In my experience the paste does not "thicken" the lather in any way. Is this your experience as well ?

regards,
Chris

[methodshaving.com]

Chris,
You are correct in that shave paste does not lather or thicken, that is what the cube is for. I find I enjoy a thinner looser lather, but when I need to thicken it I go back to the cube.

[fisherc]

Thanks Joe and Adam:

I tried the cube/paste again this AM. I must say it really makes a heck of a mess. The lather is "loose" and thin relative to traditional cream. The lubrication is as good as but no better than traditional cream. I would have to say shave efficacy is about the same. I am heavy in to skin care and it does seem to leave the skin a bit more conditioned post shave than the traditional cream. Net I'd say the shave is as good as traditional cream and the skin condition is a bit better. Is my take in line with other RMWS users ?

Chris

[Joe Lerch]

I'm with you on the mess. Adam, is there any neat way to do this?

My reaction was the same as yours, except I think The brush and lather on the face remain wet a long time.

Thanks Joe and Adam:

I tried the cube/paste again this AM. I must say it really makes a heck of a mess. The lather is "loose" and thin relative to traditional cream. The lubrication is as good as but no better than traditional cream. I would have to say shave efficacy is about the same. I am heavy in to skin care and it does seem to leave the skin a bit more conditioned post shave than the traditional cream. Net I'd say the shave is as good as traditional cream and the skin condition is a bit better. Is my take in line with other RMWS users ?

Chris

[methodshaving.com]

The only suggestion I have is to work the cube again after your intial lather on your face to thicken and volumize the paste. It was desgined to be a loose wet fast cutting mix. Hence the whole concept of high velocity. From the get go it waas not going to be designed for this as a lot of the customers asked for it. It is a shave as good a english cream without the thick slow cutting lather, it is wetter than most and 100% natural. This product is not for everyone, but it does the jib really well and I think it excels with a 0.025 micron open blade or a feather DE.

[blueasajewel]

I have been using the CAR products and doing the Method Shaving process for about 1.5 weeks, and all I can say is that I am simply blown away by the results.

I have never experienced shaves this close or comfortable ever. My skin looks and feels amazing.

I always ask my boys (4 & 8) to feel my face after a particularly good shave - the other day after using my Feather Artist & Progress, my 4yr old came up and felt my face - he said "Dad, how'dja do that?" and on hearing that my 8yr. came up and felt my face - his only response was "Whoaaa".

I tried an experiment this morning, where I tried to sub the cutting balm and a/s for some Mont Source shaving oil I have and Trumpers Coral Skin Food.

I used my Feather Artist and Slant razor. No comparison, in terms of comfort. While the resulting end shave was not bad (not "Whoaa" status), I had far more nicks and small cuts - part of this may have had to do with the pairing of two very sharp and potentially aggressive razors - but while shaving the blades did not glide as easily or smoothly on form 3.

The Mont Source shaving oil was pitiful when compared to the CAR Cutting Balm -

Usually may face feels soft, supple and conditioned - this a.m. it was was on the edge of feeling raw (note: it feels much better now 3 hrs after the shave).

So I for one am sold, and compared to my original routine, Method Shaving is simpler, faster and provides significantly better results.

[Joe Lerch]

You keep mentioning two razors. How do you use them?

I have been using the CAR products and doing the Method Shaving process for about 1.5 weeks, and all I can say is that I am simply blown away by the results.

I have never experienced shaves this close or comfortable ever. My skin looks and feels amazing.

I always ask my boys (4 & 8) to feel my face after a particularly good shave - the other day after using my Feather Artist & Progress, my 4yr old came up and felt my face - he said "Dad, how'dja do that?" and on hearing that my 8yr. came up and felt my face - his only response was "Whoaaa".

I tried an experiment this morning, where I tried to sub the cutting balm and a/s for some Mont Source shaving oil I have and Trumpers Coral Skin Food.

I used my Feather Artist and Slant razor. No comparison, in terms of comfort. While the resulting end shave was not bad (not "Whoaa" status), I had far more nicks and small cuts - part of this may have had to do with the pairing of two very sharp and potentially aggressive razors - but while shaving the blades did not glide as easily or smoothly on form 3.

The Mont Source shaving oil was pitiful when compared to the CAR Cutting Balm -

Usually may face feels soft, supple and conditioned - this a.m. it was was on the edge of feeling raw (note: it feels much better now 3 hrs after the shave).

So I for one am sold, and compared to my original routine, Method Shaving is simpler, faster and provides significantly better results.

[blueasajewel]

Feather str8 for the first 1-3 N/S passes & either Merkur Progress or Slant for the remaining passes.

I'm afraid I'm not good enough at this point to do the str8 for all passes - although I am going to try on Friday.

You keep mentioning two razors. How do you use them?

[PortsmouthDavid]

Joel's explanation of how Method Shaving goes about building lather is the first time I ever got the feeling that I could decipher what was going on. But here's a question for anyone who has tried Method Shaving: Couldn't you simply:

1) Add some hot water to a shaving mug with your favorite shaving soap.
2) Soak then "scrub" your brush on the shaving soap.
3) Add a dollop of your favorite English shaving cream to the middle of the brush.
4) Whip up a lather in your hand.
5) Apply and work the lather.
6) Shave.
7) Use some thicker cream (like Creamo-cream or something) for final touch-ups?

My point is that the use of specific Enchante products doesn't seem that magical in the formulation to me. Wouldn't my "method" (notice the small "m"!!!) work essentially the same??

Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks.

-- David

[joel]

Joel's explanation of how Method Shaving goes about building lather is the first time I ever got the feeling that I could decipher what was going on. But here's a question for anyone who has tried Method Shaving: Couldn't you simply:

1) Add some hot water to a shaving mug with your favorite shaving soap.
2) Soak then "scrub" your brush on the shaving soap.
3) Add a dollop of your favorite English shaving cream to the middle of the brush.
4) Whip up a lather in your hand.
5) Apply and work the lather.
6) Shave.
7) Use some thicker cream (like Creamo-cream or something) for final touch-ups?

My point is that the use of specific Enchante products doesn't seem that magical in the formulation to me. Wouldn't my "method" (notice the small "m"!!!) work essentially the same??

Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks.

-- David

David,
To be blunt? NO. The cube is not a standard shaving soap, and creates a very wet, non-volumous lather. The quality of CAR's products is superb, and they are SPECIFICALLY designed to work hand in hand with one another. Trying to imitate his "method" with different products MIGHT work for you - but it would not be an accurate judgement of HIS particular method without using his specific products. The only thing you don't really need is the shave paste (worthless in my opinion) and an expensive shaving brush, but you DO need the cube, cutting balm, and moisutre/conditioner cream.

BTW - thanks for joining, and welcome!

[Joe Lerch]

I've never used the cutting balm, but like Joel, I find specific CAR products to be exce[tional in the method. For example, the cube is different from other marsielles olive oil soap. It seems to stay wet much longer. Even when I use it with my regular creams, they don't dry up the slightest during an entire shave. So, I'm not a method shaver, but I retained some of the CAR products after I tried the method. The aftershave balm is incomparable.

[yasuo200365]

"Method Shaving" - The shavers equivalent of "Painting By Numbers".

All very anal:wink:

Regards
John

[Joe Lerch]

"Method Shaving" - The shavers equivalent of "Painting By Numbers".

All very anal:wink:

Regards
JohnI look at it as a quick start. It would take a shaver many years to acquire the knowledge and skill that method shaving imparts in a short time.

You need to view it in context. Sites like this have been around a short time. Before that guys were just floundering around if they weren't fortunate enough to have a friend or relative to teach them. Method shaving was a giant step over that. And, in reality the system has helped many shavers with difficult problems. In the hands of a more communicative proponent, it would have (should have) achieved a lot more.

[mantic]

I look at it as a quick start. It would take a shaver many years to acquire the knowledge and skill that method shaving imparts in a short time.
What he said. :smile: I think its interesting that as elements of Method shaving (brush charging, buffing, J-hooking, etc.) percolate into the wider shaving universe the reaction is generally along the lines of "hey, that's pretty cool."

--Mark (not a Method shaver but I know enough about it it be dangerous :001_rolle )

[guenron]

What he said. :smile: I think its interesting that as elements of Method shaving (brush charging, buffing, J-hooking, etc.) percolate into the wider shaving universe the reaction is generally along the lines of "hey, that's pretty cool."

--Mark (not a Method shaver but I know enough about it it be dangerous :001_rolle )
While giving creadit where credit is due, don't be overly generous either. Most of the above were commonly used techniques long before the Baron of Blue Prose bored on...:001_rolle

[AceHarddrive]

blueasajewel: You said that the shaving oil was pitiful when compared with the Hydrolast Cutting Balm, but what was your opinion on the Coral Skin Food as compared with Hydrolast A/S Conditioner?

Joel: Why do you feel that the shave paste is worthless? In post #1, you said:
Hydrolast paste – NOT a shaving cream. Does not lather at all. Smells mediocre in sandalwood and decent in peppermint. INCREDIBLE lubricant, and is best used as you would a preshave, or as an “additive” to the brush. I got the best results with the cube, a small swipe of English shave cream, then a blob of hydrolast. Have you changed your opinion?

~Tim :cool:

[stropmegently]

As someone who had to learn to shave on his own, I would have this method to be helpful. I am now 35 and have just learned how to wetshave in the past year. My father was not helpful to me when I was but a lad :frown:

I think that if I knew method shaving existed way back, it would have helped me from spending so much money on other methods, constantly changing methods and such. So, for those without a father or in need of a system, this may work. I have managed to figure things out on my own and with the combined effort of this forum, other forums and quality products. For that I am grateful. For this first time in my life I am able to shave daily without problems while achieving a first rate shave.

Darren

[AceHarddrive]

Joel, why are you adding a cream to the Wet Mix? I'd assume that the Wet Mix alone would be enough.

~Tim :cool:

[scotish shaver]

just recived my hydrolast products today:- the cube, shaving paste and cutting balm i also got some Skin tonic and was also sent three samples of the as/conditioner which was a nice bonus. will be trying them out shortly.

[3am Shadow]

Is there a hybrid of sorts of wetshaving and method shaving?

[thevelvet]

I have just started reading your method shaving blog and had to stop to shoot off this message to you because im literally laughing my ass off due to what youve wrote thus far. I cant agree enough with how complicated CAR makes this seem. And as far as the vocabulary that guy has, well, it makes me think that my own must be like that skit in "In Living Color" where Oswald Bates - Damon Wayans - is in prison and constantly misuses large words in terrible sentances ("Unfortunately, we could not impregnate everyone. It is simply beyond our colonic threshold." "I believe it was Plato...No, excuse me, I mean Play-Doh...who stuck to the wall when he said one must not put one's transvestite in jeopardy if one is to become a cunning linguist". "Hey, I ain't no venereal fuddrucker!")

This whole method thing has allowed me to create my own method of shaving, I call it the Jeremy method of shaving or JMS for short (my last name is Parker but the initials of PMS just didnt fly with me.) Here is how it works:

1.) Take out all the money you have saved up and spend it on shaving supplies. Razors, creams, soaps, etc.

2.) Fill sink with water.

3.) Upon shaving, accidentally slit your throat due to how tight your jaw muscles were due to depth of thought and misery from being completely broke from all youve spent on your shaving addiction and finding out that your friends and family are planning to put you on the A&E show "Intervention" because of your shaving addiction.

4.) Refer to above.

[brothers]

I have nothing much to add. Method sounds like somebody's bad dream. Take a fun and simple hobby one step further by inventing additional steps and products that make it even more complex and expensive to shave in the morning, with the added plus that your product smells like ... . Thanks but no thanks.