I have a T3 Wanderer and a LTM8 Mesh. The T3 goes with me fishing and there's been a few times it's come off on a fly fishing stream to be found down river and returned (it floats). It's also nice in that I can soak the thick material in water and get an evaporative cooling effect. The mesh is great for coaching football or baseball, keeps the sun off my head neck and ears and feels good in the hot weather.