Hi folks, I thought I would check in and let you know where I am. I am still waiting for my Jagger DE89L (should arrive tomorrow or Monday from Amazon with the free shipping for <$30), so I'm not yet DE shaving. While waiting for a better brush (I ordered a Semogue 830 that arrived today), I picked up a VDH brush and soap kit at the drug store to use with my soon to be retired Mach 3. I figured this would allow me to start learning how to generate and apply lather. I have been primarily using the bowl that came with the VDH brush and their soap. I seem to be able to get a pretty good lather in the bowl with standing peaks and all. However, when I start brushing on, the lather seems to thin right out. Is this a matter of not using enough product (so far only soap), the brush too wet, or the brush too dry? Or is it a marginal brush that isn't broken in? I will make up a couple of lathers tonight with the new 830, but that will likely also need to break in. My final question is do any of you have recommendations for a relatively inexpensive badger brush. I'm not ready to spend more than $30-50 for a brush until I know I'll stick with DE shaving. I was thinking of getting a TGN silvertip knot and handle and build a brush...seems like a pretty good price to get a silvertip for $30-40 (an acrylic handle). Or should I just continue with the two new brushes and see where they go. Thanks for the previous feedback.