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Discussion in 'The Clubhouse' started by elsmooth, Aug 10, 2012.
As the title says, name your favorite non-protein powder supplement!
I don't really use anything else but whey. So, I gotta say that I like the fish-oil supplements. Looking to try creatine again after not using for 9 years when I begin a 'bulk'.
I hope that was a joke, hehe.
PRObiotic 225 by ortho molecular. All health begin in the gut.
+1 Very essential. I would add Arginine and Creatine.
How would one think that was a joke? EC is the cheapest, legit, and legal fat burner known to man.
I'm currently a huge fan of beta alanine. Also very inexpensive in bulk form, scientifically proven, and it can be a huge benefit during certain training days.
Creatine has been such a staple for me for so long, that I did not include it in this thread. Ephedrine has been a long term staple as well, but I cycle it, most people don't realize that it is still legal without a prescription, and people still pay WAY too much money for fat burners that contain a kitchen sink of underdosed, anecdotal (at best) ingredients. EC works, and as a person who likes stimulants a little too much as it is, I felt I should include it.
All I use is Manitoba's Harvest Hemp protein, easily digestible and you get the Omegas as well. I'd say the best non-protein supplement would be a green powder.
Please keep a close eye on your blood pressure, even if you are doing a full ECA stack. I heard of doing only EC, but when I was working out seriously 10 years ago, it was always ECA to help counteract some of the cardio sides of the ephedrine.
For me, I used creatine for a few months, but the water retention was problematic and the "pump" frequently painful... got a few stretch marks on my biceps.
Other than that, the only thing that I used other than some ECA experimentation was a shot of Glutamine with my protein shakes.
The aspirin in ECA has little to do with cardiovascular sides effects. Studies show that aspirin increases the lipo/fat bruning effects of ephedrine, and a lot of people these days simply ditch the aspirin all together.
Also, the extreme water retention side effects of creatine has been debunked over and over again. I honestly doubt stretchmarks on your biceps has much to do with taking creatine. I started getting them on the back of my armpits in high school from swimming before I took anything or was even lifting regularly. It's hard to think of a single supplement with more positive research behind it than creatine mono.
Oh I'm not opposed to creatine at all. Read a lot of horror stories that were obviously the results of someone attempting to hide the use of other "products"
But for me, at the level I was working, I don't feel that it was needed or really beneficial. The intense pumps that I got were absolutely due to it, as an identical workout with no supplement for 48 hours but the same hydration would not produce the same feeling. That's what I was referring to with the water retention... not the "bloating" that some speak of... just a very intense pump.
BCAAs. CELL KEM by Evogen in particular.
The above is QFT.
Personally I just do cheap fish oil, cheap multivitamin, and whey.
I love my stretch marks, just means I'm getting bigger
The water retention that everyone was/is so worried about is true. That is the job of creatine, to shuttle water to the muscle not subcutaneous. Personally I switched from mono to creatine hcl a few months back and hands down it is much better.
Creatine give no "pump." Maybe creatine was in a preworkout that gave those pumps but creatine alone doesn't do that.
IMO DNP is a much stronger fat burner. Ran it for a month and good lord, that was hard but it shredded my back fat with a few more things to help the stack. DNP is legit.